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Ed Snowden interview video.
My name is Ed Snowden, I'm 29 years old. I worked for Booz Allen Hamilton as an Infrastructure Analyst for NSA in Hawaii.
What are some of the positions that you've held previously within the intelligence community?
I've been a systems engineer, systems administrator, senior advisor for the Central Intelligence Agency's solutions consultant, and a telecommunications information systems officer.
One of the things people are gonna be most interested in trying to understand who you are and what you're thinking is there came some point in time when you crossed this line of thinking about being a whistleblower to making the choice to actually become a whistle-blower. Walk people through that decision-making process.
When you're in positions of privileged access like a systems administrator for these sorts of intelligence community agencies, you're exposed to a lot more information on a broader scale than the average employee. And because of that, you see things that may be disturbing. But over the course of the normal person's career, you'd only see one or two of these instances. When you see everything, you see them on a more frequent basis. And you recognize that some of these things are actually abuses. And when you talk to people about them in a place like this where this is the normal state of business, people tend not to take them very seriously and move on from them. But over time, that awareness of wrongdoings sort of builds up and you feel compelled to talk about it. And the more you talk about it the more you're ignored, the more you're told it's not a problem, until, eventually, you realize that these things need to be determined by the public, not by somebody who is simply hired by the government.
Talk a little bit about how the American surveillance state actually functions. Does it target the actions of Americans?
NSA and the intelligence community, in general, are focused on getting intelligence wherever it can by any means possible. It believes on the grounds of sort of a self-certification, that they serve the national interest.
Originally, we saw that focus very narrowly tailored as foreign intelligence gathered overseas. Now, increasingly we see that it's happening domestically. And to do that the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. It collects them in its system, and it filters them it analyses them and it measures them, and it stores them for periods of time simply because that's the easiest, most efficient, and most valuable way to achieve these ends.
So while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government, or someone that they suspect of terrorism, they're collecting your communications to do so. Any analyst at any time can target anyone, any selector anywhere.
Where those communications will be picked up depends on the range of the sensor networks, and the authorities that that analyst is empowered with. Not all analysts have the ability to target everything. But I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authority to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge, to even the president if I had a personal e-mail.
One of the extraordinary parts about this episode is that, usually, whistleblowers do what they do anonymously and take steps to remain anonymous for as long as they can which they hope, often is, forever.
You on the other hand have decided to do the opposite which is to declare yourself openly as the person behind these disclosures. Why did you choose to do that?
I think that the public is owed an explanation of the motivations behind the people who make these disclosures that are outside of the democratic model. When you are subverting the power of government, that's a fundamentally dangerous thing to democracy. And if you do that in secret consistently as the government does when it wants to benefit from that secret action that it took, it'll kind of give its officials a mandate to go "Hey, tell the press about this thing and that thing so the public is on our side." But they rarely if ever do that when abuse occurs. That falls to individual citizens. But they're typically maligned. It becomes a thing of these people are against the country, they're against the government, but I'm not.
I'm no different from anybody else. I don't have special skills. I'm just another guy who sits there day to day in the office, watches what's happening, and goes "This is something that's not our place to decide. The public needs to decide whether these programs or policies are right or wrong." And I'm willing to go on the record to defend the authenticity of them and say "I didn't change these. I didn't modify the story. This is the truth. This is what's happening. You should decide whether we need to be doing this."
Have you given thought to what it is that the US government's response to your conduct is in terms of what they might say about you, how they might try to depict you, and what they might try to do to you?
Yeah. I could be rendered by the CIA. I could have people come after me or any of their third-party partners. They work closely with a number of other nations. Or they could pay off the Triads or any of their agents or assets. We've got a CIA station just up the road in the consulate here in Hong Kong, and I'm sure they're gonna be very busy for the next week. And that's.
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